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Aviva


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I came to the showcase because I need to put the picture up so that maybe I can figure out what to do.  I waited a long time before I bought this Pooky sculpt by p. lechner (s?) anyway the color was a very light creamy color when I got it and it's very soft and plyable.  You can practically roll the head up in a roll.  So..first off I found out that this doll could not take the convection oven no  I stayed right with it and the temp mostly was around 260.  It was so hot when it came out.  I remembered that someone told me to take it and rub it down with something to keep the shine from coming.  Okay..did that, but then thought that the paint was too something..can't remember...and I tried to get the paint off.  That didn't work too good, so I thought I'd just try to paint it again.  Everything is okay, except it's like the area around the eyes will not take paint well.  It's kind of a orangy yellow color.   I'm going to put a few pictures in.  Some I hit the 'enhance button to see if it would show the problem better. But one I took just came out clearest.
The first one is the way the pic. came out.  The side that is on our left is the worse side.  This has me all messed up because this sculp has the same name as my cat that I had for 12 years and I had to have him put down April before last.  I spelled it Pookie.  I cut his cord and all when he was born breech. I almost lost him.  So I've waited so long to get this and now this problem.

-- Edited by Aviva on Friday 7th of August 2009 06:56:07 AM

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Aviva I never had that problem, so I don't know what is the solution. I would try a thin layer of matt varnish to give it a bit of tecture for the paint to grab. Then try to paint it. I don' know if this would help, but if it was me I would  try it. Do you think it is wise to rub the vinyl ...  not sure if it is a good idea. You will end up with a very shiny baby.

Rather wait for the Guru's to come up and help. Let us know if you could fix it. It is a beautiful face and you don't want to mess it up.  Good luck hun



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First off, did you wash your kit before you started painting? I usually give mine a good wash in hot water with dawn dish detergent to remove any residue that may be on there. Then I wipe down everything with rubbing alcohol. Just an extra step I take. I make sure my oven temp is 265 degrees (use a accurate oven thermometer) for 8 mins. I never heard of rubbing it down either. As for taking off paint I use regular acetone works great, then I repeat my washing steps before I begin again. If you did all this and still had problems then I'm not sure what could be happening. I did have a kit that no matter what I did just didn't help I had areas that the paint would not stick no matter what I did, matte finish, light sanding, nothing worked. However these are just my opinions and as Ronel said either Pat or Linda will be along that may have better answers for you.

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she said to rough it up a bit with a cloth or something.  It did help one time .  Well last night I thought maybe I could take a sea spoge and put some mottling around the eyes.  It took the paint..I think.  Those are not the eyes I got for Pooky.  I got some crystal eyes, but they are a tight fit.  They are  grayish color.  I put those blue ones in because I think the doll looks strange or eerie looking.

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Thanks Tina and Ronel.  To answer your questions..no...I didn't wash it.  I'm used to using BB babies and you don't have to wash them.   I do have the secrist oven thermometer and it didn't not go over 265.   Someone told me in here also that she had a convection oven and she said the vinyl got too hot too fast, so she just did it using the oven part and it now is doing it perfect each time.  Anyway this doll was from a different place and the beginning color was different.  I did a wash inside because of that.   The rubbing on the doll if you can see a little shine after it has been in the oven is with a rough dry washcloth...you don't polish it.  lol.  That just sounded funny to me.  I used that sea sponge and flushed her.    Anyway..I think she is a doll of MANY colors.  Maybe she will be special or she might end up in my trunk of shame lol.

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Aviva I wish I could help you, ...there is just one thing that will cover it up. Get her a pair of sunglasses! hehe I am just silly.

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I use a regular old oven still so can't give any advise on the convection oven. She may just turn out to be the one you love best with her many colors!

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Sometimes the Berenguers have that problem, especially with the orange coloring or tint. If you have some orangish coloring, be sure to check your color wheel or go to the painting section of our forum for information on color correcting.

As far as a "convection" oven, yes, because of the convection part, it does get hotter and bakes faster. Genesis and the AR paints need to be baked at the specific temp and time for proper curing. My countertop oven does have convection but I don't use it with my babies.

I even wash my BB kits as you never know what residual stuff is left on them and better to be safe. Didn't used to and then I had paint not sticking like you. I washed the head (it's ok if you got the paint cured right) in the hot soapy water, rinsed well and dried. Then I tried again. If it still didn't work, I used the matte varnish (a VERY thin layer) where the bad section was, baked, cooled, and then tried again. It worked. Luckily I didn't have any orangish tinting so no color correction for me.

Well, give that a try and let us know how that works. :)

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thank you so much.  I copied that post and will put it in my note file so that I can follow directions.  I thought the paint stuck last time, but it didn't.  I did a then layer of varnish last night, but have not messed with her today at all.  Thanks again.

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I took all the color off her and then I scrubbed her clean.   All the creamy skin came back except on the back of her head thereis a bit of redness..maybe more pink.  I think that is damage from the high heat, but it's not going to be a problem.  It feels okay there anyway it's right on the back of the head which will be covered with dark brown hair.  I'm a bit upset.  I ordered some premium mohair on sale for 50.00 an ounce which is higher than what I pay my supplier but still less than some of the places.  I think most are price gouging since this reborn thing has taken off.
Anyway back to pooky.  I have her sitting here looking at me with no eyes and getting dry.  I will then try MsReborner's color correction. 

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My goodness, Aviva, you have really been through an ordeal with your Pookie kit.  I hope everything goes well for you when you begin painting your doll again.  

I've learned something from your experience (to use the regular oven rather than the convection feature) so I thank you for sharing what happened with us.


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Naaah I already thought of that. lol    nod.gif

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I just opened my GE convection/regular countertop oven I bought ages ago.
What bugs me is that the heat will go off if the timer is not running.
Do they all work like that?
I put the oven thermometer in and put the dial on toast/pizza.
Why don't I open things when I buy them!!!
Do yours say Not use outside!!
I have 3 dials. But only Warm/defrost \ Toast/pizza \ Convection/Bake (darn it all)
Convection/Broil \ and last but not least-Rotisserie.
I can't keep temp even on toast/pizza. Have any of you tried convection/bake and
just lowered the temp by 20 degrees or so?
Good thing I do have the gun.
The pouncing didn't go too well either. I thought this would be easier.
Poor me!
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Dear Sug...

I know how you feel hun, I wait to open things for too long too! Yes, the heat goes off as soon as the timer dings! Safety feature I think. But mine has a stay on feature on the dial if you turn it to the left instead of the right.

No toast/pizza or defrost/warm on mine. But I got bake, rotiss, convection, and broil. When I turn the temp dial, I put it where I want it and kinda wiggle it a bit so it settles into one spot. Then I time it for about 15 minutes and put in my oven thermometer to make sure it's right. Mostly it's not so I have to fiddle with it a bit. And then I try not to touch that temp dial. I think ya just gotta fiddle a bit, they're not real accurate. But then they're around $100 give or take so I guess I can't expect much for that price hun lol

Just don't put your babies on convection... gets too hot and not enough time before they start having issues. If you put your babies in too hot they tend to get shiny.

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okay, first of all I don't think you would have to NOT use the air feature.  Seems like on the forum at BB, they use the feature.  I guess you would just have to to find out what the temp would be.  is with...testing the oven  I'm thinking  the amount of time might be half of the original and also maybe the heat would be set a bit lower.  You know..like the heat guns... iI  took me awhile to test the pieces and it NEVER did right the first heat gun I got was defective.  So now I have about 15 dolls that half of the face is good, but the other half is coming off.  What a mess..  Now I"m constantantly checking and recheckng the second one.  I used it last night for a whole baby that I just wanted the blush, so thankful that I have one and I got this one from Steph. Sullivan.  She is so sweet and she has them for like 20..00.  Great for lips, nails  etc.
Dang...I just came back on the comp. and this has been sitting here probably all day, half wrote.  lol....

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Yes, I've been hearing thats' what they do on the BB forum too. But... according to Genesis, the manufacturer of the paints, they say you MUST bake their paints at 265F for 8 minutes minimum or the paints won't cure right. So that leaves out the half time or lower temp. I always go by what the manufacturer says cause they know, they made the product.

But I guess if you can watch the temp or how hot the vinyl gets on convection, it's up to you. I do know that excessive heat can cause a shiny part.

Ya, I love Steph too! Isn't she great? And a fabulous reborner and sculptor!

-- Edited by Buffington on Sunday 27th of September 2009 12:56:08 AM

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Well then out goes the heat gun.   (sometimes I've thought of throwing it out in the yard.)    Do you have to hold it on the vinyl for 8 minutes???  They say just about 5 sec. per area.  What about that and doesn't Genesis make the heat gun?  Just throwing stuff out there to discuss...because Enquiring minds want to know...hehe 

-- Edited by Aviva on Tuesday 29th of September 2009 05:49:56 PM

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Aviva, I think you have a point.  I have heat guns from Genesis for sale so they obviously condone their use to cure the paint.  You would not use the heat gun on the doll for 8 minutes at a time or you would damage the vinyl.

If the applying the heat gun for a fraction of the time it takes to bake in the oven is an option for curing paint, maybe it's possible to use the convection oven if the time is adjusted.  I haven't tried it, have you?  At the very least,  I think it warrants testing and further research.

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