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I use it (goof off) most of the time if I really can't get anything off the other way. I just bought it when I started as someone said on Ebay to just go get the 'good' stuff when you need it...but to wear mask, gloves and do it outdoors.

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I'm glad you take the proper precautions but have you tried acetone? That works the same way and I have never had a problem with it. It is much safer as they use it for removing nail polish on humans.

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Hi all!!!
  I need help using my premixed paints. I am having problems getting an even flesh tone on my BB vinyl. It's not very forgiving, once the paint hits that vinyl it seems to be there for good.

I was thinking it might be easier to get an even base skin tone if I swiched over to Secrists flesh tone paint set and used thinner to create a wash. I am still figuring it all out and ALL suggestions would be wonderful!!

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First of all can I ask you to remove your picture in your post please? We only post actual pics in the artist showcase topic per the rules of the forum.

OK, now to your issue... it looks fine to me but I can't get a close up of it to see the skintone (if this is the kit you are speaking of). You are right, the BB vinyl is not very forgiving depending on which paints you are using. Are you using paints purchase from Secrist or a Secrist dealer (ones that we carry on our site)? Or are you using different paints from another site? It would help to know that part hun. Then, you are supposed to have little pigmented dots as the base skintone, do you have that (can't tell, pic doesn't enlarge)?

You can only use Genesis with Genesis. They do not recommend using their paints with any other. If you have the BB paints then maybe you can ask your dealer what to do as our paints are not compatible with theirs (in the long run). Secrist Genesis are mixed specifically for Secrist.

Even though you have to remove the baby pic in this post (you can post a link instead) I think this one looks pretty real from what I can see.

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I love the new paints and they work beautifully. I'm happy to say. I was wondering though. I painted a beautiful the beautiful doll Acorn without the pre-wash (Periwinkle Blue) and followed on with everything else and did another Acorn kit with the pre-wash fallowing the same steps. They both came out different. Not bad! Don't get me wrong. Both handsome as ever. But the one I did without looked more less "newborn" look. Now is this something that can be used for doll kits that are to be "older, like a month, two months ect."? I was wondering if anyone had tried this and have seen similar results?
Gennesis paints are truly the most amazing paint out there and I will never waver from that.
But I was curious about other reborners out there who have used and not used the Periinkle Blue wash on their kits.
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I find that on the Secrist kits (not other kit companies) that if I don't use the perwinkle internal wash, the babies don't have that really deep new baby look. They don't exactly look like dolls, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they look as real without it. Even when I do babies and not newborns. Hope this helps :)

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I have always used the internal purple wash on Secrist kits as it eliminates the additional steps required to accomplish a similar effect on doll kits that are not made from translucent vinyl.  However... I know of some people that never use the internal purple wash because they don't like messing with it.  They love the way their babies look without it.

It was genius to have used different methods on the same kit.  Now you have a true comparison.  If you take photos of them, would the differences stand out or be too subtle for the camera to catch? 

I sure agree with you about the paint.  Unless something drastically new and improved is invented, I'm sticking with the heat set paints also. 





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Hi There
I am following the DVD course 3, unfortunately have not been able to obtain the perriwinkle blue for the internal wash.no  I only know of two suppliers in South Africa and neither of them have it.
Can I make up the mix, if so what colours are used.  The squeeze bottle is also unobtainable, what size bottle is it.
Thanks a mil for the help.
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Both suppliers should be able to get the bottle for you right from Secrist. The bottle that you would mix the perwinkle blue internal wash in is about 2-3" across and about 4-5" tall. If you have a beauty supply dealer near you, you can just get one of the pointed bottles with the little cap on top that you would use for hair dye. I have my thinner in one and my internal wash in the other one.

As far as mixing your own, we used to do that all the time before the pre-mixed paints came out. Here are the colors you will need from another post on forum (you can click on the search at the top of the page and type in "internal wash". You will get lots of info):

"Our color is called "Periwinkle Blue" (although it's more of a purplish color). It is a mixture of Dioxazine Purple, White, and a little Pthalo blue." You will mix this until it looks kind of a purpley-blue color. Add those colors to your liquid thinner, then stir until it's all mixed. You will want the mixture to be the consistency of milk. And mix or shake the bottle each time you use it as it will separate in the bottle, this is normal.

Hope this helps :)

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I've used the Skin Foundation AR Paints..and it has actually helped to correct what
would have been a ruined baby head/face...it was  very shiny..I applied a very,very lite coat then heat it,then I applied a normal coat and heat that.... and my dear went from Lurch to Wednesday Addams(a pretty little thing).(Be careful otherwise too much
of it on the kit and you'll have an Uncle Fester-Baby(chalky)


My problems with this brand of heat set paints is that any 1 oz bottle will not last as long as a 1 oz bottle of Genesi brand paints and they really cost about 35% too much money for their sizes.




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biggrin   i have to admit i love the ar complexion paint sets but your right the cost is prohibitive considering the size of the jars.                           sage   aww

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Thats usually how it goes for "convenience". You gotta pay more so you don't have to futz with it. So it's either create your own from the basic colors and have more/pay less, or buy the premixed for convenience and pay more/get less in the long run.

But at least there is the option of either for those who choose to do it that way.

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If there was a way to measure how many dolls I can make with AR as opposed to Genesis, it would be interesting to find out how far the paints stretch.  

Sometimes I think my time is worth something, too. By the time I mix my Genesis with the Genesis paint thinner, I could probably paint a layer or 2 of AR on my doll.  Also, if I like the pre-mixed color, why should I spend my time trying to mix the right combination of colors to achieve the same color.

I'm trying to decide if I'm lazy or just making the best use of my time.

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I know I'm lazy. LOL, I'd much rather use a premixed paint than try to figure out how to mix colors and possibly not ever get the correct shade again. No, thank you.

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I usually keep a chart of how much of what color(s) I mix with what. I have the color sheet from Secrist that shows the actual colors that they are supposed to be for what. And I think it's laminated too so no worries of spilling color on it and ruining it.

But I also do like the convenience of having the pre-mixed. Not sure if I like the premixed with the thinner added already. I like to mix my own in for consistancy. But I'm working on it. :)

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is anyone else finding issues when mixing the paints for ur own "custom colors"? i am not sure which colors are even causing the issue, even tho i write down my colors, as the issue seems to arise a layer down or two. i am getting a "dirty" doll look. the doll ends up looking grey in color and i have to strip the doll and start over. it happened again tonite and i am getting really frustrated. i just tossed all my old sponges and everything that might have touched the genesis paints in case that was the problem, but i was under the impression that the two paints worked together. i made a beautiful berenguer angel face with these paints as well as a secrist, but i have tried the bb dolls several times now and have been having this particular issue!!
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I'm not sure what the issue is hun. Maybe since it's a bb kit, you might want to check with her. Maybe it's a baking/time issue, maybe a paint mix issue. But since it's bb's kit, I say check with them and let us know what she says.

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i have had this happen to a number of bountiful baby (bb), so i am going to try using the genesis thinning medium and using genesis paints on them. the coloring problem doesnt show up until a few layers in (until i use the flesh 07). perhaps i need to bake them longer, thanks for the idea. i will be making some little berenguers tomorrow and i will let u know what happens with them. i will work in a bb limb with them and see how it works if i just eliminate the 07 and use other colors instead.

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Ok, yes, do let us know. Since it happens on bb vinyl it seems to me like a compatability issue. Or, maybe a paint not cured enough before the next layer is put on. Maybe it just shows up more when you do the 07.
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cry    i had an issue with dakota which is a bb kit. the issue was i'd just done the internal wash and realized that i'd got some on the outside of his head so i grabbed the acetone no prob right? ha ... the peach color started comeing off....eek......i thought it was in the vinyl not painted on. the point of this is could that be whats changeing the paints brown?                           sage   aww

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I thought the color of the BB vinyl was part of the vinyl mix and not painted on also. You should definitely ask BB about issues and questions with their product.

The "dirty" or gray look once you get a few skin layers on the vinyl is a problem I have also  had in the past with their pink color.   I've never had that problem with the Secrist vinyl.

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Really BB having those issues too? That's awful to get a kit and get started on it, find that it's turning a gary colorish color.... :( I hope that they will help you find a solution!? Sage,

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I thought the peach was a vinyl color too not a coverup (so to speak). My Vivian was a BB doll and I painted her no problem. Maybe someone has changed their vinyl formula or something.

Jodie... you menttioin "...having those issues too?". Who else is having those kinds of issues that you know of? It would be interesting to compare vinyls.

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Hello, I am just starting out on my first reborn and bought a kit from the States which uses Genesis Paints. I have been having quite a time of it trying to get the paint to a thin consitency using the Genesis Thinning Medium which was included, however, I notice that you mention with your paints that you do not recommend using a thinner. Are they Genesis or something different?  Sorry to appear so ignorant, however, I obviously have a lot to learn. Cheers and thanks, Jennie from Queensland. Australia.

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I am working with Genesis heat set paints, as this is what came with the kit I purchased from the States. Other than the fact that the Authentic Premix Paint does not need any thinner and is ready to use (which sounds fabulous to me), what is the difference in these two products? I will order Authentic Premix for my second attempt though, as it certainly sounds to be a more "user friendly" product for a beginner like myself. 
With regard to thinners. I cannot buy odourless thinners (odourless white spirit) in the remote area which I live in, however, what about normal thinners? I know it has a smell, however, is it the same chemical combination as the odourless thinners minus the smell,  or is it a totally different product.  So confusing when you are as limited as I am here in the back of 'woop woop'.  ;o)

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smile    well one of of the differences is with the transperantcy. for example the ar blush you actually take a little in your pallate knife and spread in a line on a flat glass saucer / candle holder till you can see thru it.then lighty dab your brush in it . this is a help in acheveing the a look that you can't tell where the blush color begins or ends.                                   sage    aww

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Jenny, I have pm'd June from our forum to help you on this one as she too lives in Queensland. She is very good and teaches classes also. She can tell you what solvent to get where and maybe you two can get together :)

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Glad you PM'd June on this one.  Just wanted to correct any misunderstandings about Genesis paints.  They DO need to be thinned.  The only paints that Secrist sells that do not need thinner are the Authentic Reborn paints.

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Right, and that is because they already contain thinner when you purchase them. I was hoping June had popped in here by now but she and I have been back and forth about you Jennie. Help is on the wayyyyyyyyy! hehehe

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Jennie Godsell,
Here is the post from June. I think I confused her and she wasn't sure where to put this. It is in this topic (painting) but just not in here where you posted. If you check back, here is where you will find it too. I did a copy/paste quote from June (AKA: SaraZata) She also lives in Qnld OZ so she would know what is around you guys. :)

sara zata wrote:
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I just had an email from the company, there retail supplies are in Brisbane, at Oxlades, Wickham St Fortitude Valley, 4006. the ph no is 07 3252 8238. XXXXX June



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In my DVD with Rosie- Course #3 it shows to start the skin texture right after veiningand then blushing....it never says to do an all over flesh tone firs or last...when do I do that layer? Thanks Gconfuse

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I prefer to put the basecoat on first, then veins, then mottling, then blush.
Some do the veining first, then basecoat, then blush, mottle, final blush. All depends on how you want to do it. But those are the steps hun. I like to get my basecoat on first. That way the blue in the veining doesn't seem to GRAB on as quickly as it does on bare vinyl. But I do about 10-15 layers of color, which is my own take on the reborning thing.

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I guess I am miffed as to why they didn't include a fleshtone in the course#3...only the skin texture, so I wen ovet it with skin texture thinned with thinner (this is AR paints not Genesis) and brushed it over everyhing and it is a bit better, but still, the white chalky stiplled look from before is not good. I will have to buy some AR fleshtone paint before the next doll and paint it on all over very thin and then just sponge i for texture.

I know I put to much paint on when  I stippled the skin texture on in the first place...big mistake I will never make again, but wish I had already a thin layer fo fleshtone first.

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I don't know why they don't include the flestone with the #3. BTW hun... AR is also Genesis. All heat-set paints are made by Genesis, they just have different names for each company that sells them.

I'll have to go look at the course 3 and see what they have in it. You said they have "skin texture" not fleshtone. Hmmm. I'll come back Sunday after I look at 3. :o

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I have those paints how would you mix  the colors to create and AA, would you mix the colors in the plaint palete, I see that there will be a DVD out soon on how to ust the paints but not sure when, not sure if you know when its coming out, its in the 2010-2011 guide book page 29, I am looking for a DVD that will show how to mix the colors for an AA

 

 

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Hello Kristine and welcome to our family forum. We're glad you connected with us :)
First... you always mix your paints in a paint palette or other glass/glazed dish. That way you can mix enough of the color you need, see if the color is right, and then use.
As far as AA colors, we do have a thread telling what colors to use for an AA baby. Just type in AA in the search bar at the top of the page.
Here is a link to some of the tutorials Secrist has for sale:
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http://www.secristdolls.com/inc/sdetail/84492

I hope this helps.

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Hi what is the Authentic reborn DVD #3 called and where can I purchase it? Thanks 



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